$150 Honda Clone vs $600 Honda? Let’s settle this! Fuel Efficiency, Horsepower, Durability, Starting

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Is the Honda clone just as good as the Honda? Is the Honda better than the Harbor Freight's Predator and Briggs and Stratton Engines? All engines compared for fuel efficiency, oil consumption, noise and vibration during a 48-hour test. Used oil samples sent to an oil testing lab to provide information on wear metals. Engines also compared for torque and horsepower. I bought the engines, fuel to test the engines and all supplies to ensure an unbiased review. So, thank you for supporting the channel.

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AndyGPC Mese fa

Genuine product vs knock-off is one of my favorite guilty pleasures on this channel. I love seeing if you can still get your money's worth if the discount is enough and not many people besides Project Farm cover this kind of thing.

Mitch 5 ore fa

@haroldjones1473 who did Honda Clone?

Mitch 5 ore fa

@integr8er66 probably helps that its likely an older Honda clone..

One Issue Voter 3 giorni fa

Me and my buddies all swear by those Predator engines for our gokart and small engine products. Just a few years ago you could get one on sale for $99. They are solid motors for a great price. We used to use B&S but about 10-15 years ago the quality went to total garbage. And dude ,you had them hooked up to an alternator. What a great opportunity to directly measure the power!

Thawne 16 giorni fa

@anzov1n how come

Steveos Cars, Bikes and Boats Mese fa

The level of commitment for these tests is absolutely phenomenal 👌

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks!

MrMacacson Mese fa

The predator engines are an awesome value. I run them on generators and pressure washers. Add a bit of Lucas and they really last!

Mitch 5 ore fa

@Urbandragons no warranty, when you bought it?

Mitch 5 ore fa

@Deucealive75 good to know, thanks!

Timber land 5 giorni fa

@Wingnut353 well most of the Honda parts are also made in China only assembled in Thailand.

Urbandragons 9 giorni fa

Well my Honda gcv170 is full of issues which I didn’t know about until after I bought it. I thought I was buying the best

Gluten Free Beer Brian 11 giorni fa

@Deucealive75 Honda for Reliability every day!! I have a Honda mower I pulled from a neighbor’s garbage 10 yrs ago… changed the oil maybe 2 times since then, never put fuel stabilizer in it for winters and it runs like new… Even been stored outside a few winters…. I just spray a little starter fluid first mow of the year and top off oil if needed…. (Mowing season is short so not a ton of hours on this engine…and the oil still looks nice) Honda is awesome at making excellent reliable machines…

RSC4 PEACE Mese fa

This is by far the best and the most trustworthy comparative test of most of the common products that we all either own or may buy during our lifetimes at least here in the USA. I have followed PF for over 4 years now as well bought many industrial products from simple tools to some big appliances based PF reviews. Every one of them has stood up to the recommendations over that time and I expect they are the best value for every buck I had spent. We all owe a great deal to PF for his unbiased and thorough in-use testing, evaluation and recommendations

Patrick Powers 10 giorni fa

Certainly is but it is exhausting to listen to!

Eric L Mese fa

Completely agree. This is the one and only channel on ITvid where I actually pay money to help support the creator. $5 month is well worth the high-quality, useful content!

꧁Epaclubbers꧂ • 7 anos atrás Mese fa

Agradeça a vida aí na América amigo,pois aqui no brazil é um lixo,somos escravos para conseguir algo q gastamos muito,vida difícil,comida é difícil, saúde e difícil...tirando a paisagem a vida aqui é super difícil...

Mariusz Mariusz Mese fa

@Kevin Balluff Hi Kevin, what about predator’s long term durability? Could be good or (…) I guess honda could be best value after long-term test. E.g Ryobi is powerful (price vs Nm etc) but only for weekend jobs not often, otherwise lifetime will be short.. therefore ryobi manufacturer has in portfolio aeg or milwaeukee for small/business. Br, Mariusz

Mariusz Mariusz Mese fa

@Project Farm however, for the test to be complete, there should be long-distance test and then a retest comparison. So what if the predator has results when, for example, after 100 working hours could be a rubble. Anyway ❤ ;)

LoC-O Mese fa

You're killing it as always. Great analysis. The variety of tests is outstanding. Love your videos. Keep up the good work.

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks, will do!

Wiseone 9 giorni fa

Absolute respect on how thorough you are with the tests in your vids. Always entertaining and informative and thanks for doing what you do so well.

Project Farm 9 giorni fa

Thanks and you are welcome!

Chickn Whisperer Mese fa

“There’s no extra cost for the dents in the fuel tank” 😂 Best line, hands down. I love it when Todd throws in just a sprinkle of sarcasm

Chad Portenga Mese fa

And he says it as if it's a legit feature. That's what makes his channel so entertaining. That, and Cousin Eddie.

Christopher Elworthy Mese fa

@Nicolae Mogoreanu got to love the 'Chinglish' language 😁

Bruce Colburn Mese fa

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Silver Stacker Mese fa

Love your comparison videos, i've saved a ton of money watching them and knowing what is good and what's junk. Sometimes the cheap clones are worth it. My only criticism is could you slow it down a bit? I have to set your videos to 0.75 speed so I can fully absorb everything you're saying. But keep up the good work on your channel, your testing methods are spot on imho.

pavan opatha 25 giorni fa

Would be awesome to see a comparison of those 2 stroke portable generators that are one sale. Like how long they can run on the same amount of fuel, actual peak power.

Mitch 5 ore fa

Great suggestion.. especially those $99 ones..

Wingnut353 19 giorni fa

2 stroke? I wouldn't even bother with those... not when you can get the sportsman SS1000 on sale every now and them for similar money. It gets branded under other names too but its a full inverter generator... it has a little GX35 clone in it and is pretty darn reliable.

Cookie Vaquero Mese fa

I truly value and appreciate the effort you put into the comparisons. I look to your videos when I'm getting ready to purchase an item. Now to cordless vacuums, I see you have a video on that topic as well!

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks so much!

Ryan Willuweit 4 giorni fa

As always, thank you Todd. I’m curious, what are you using for your IR temperature readings? I’ve been looking into getting one for some basic diagnostic, but as always I get mixed signals of what out there is worth purchasing. Thanks!

Bruce Moriarty Mese fa

Predator engines are awesome. Used by many to replace old classic snowblower engines. Love mine. Thanks for ya hard work as always.👍🙂

Crash 6 giorni fa

Have one of their generators, does great when I need it, never shuts off unexpectedly and starts up first pull every time and far cheaper than a Honda.

19Robert98 16 giorni fa

I did exactly this. That poor 6.5 hp is doing what an old 10hp techumseh used to do!

Nicholas Koa Mese fa

to add onto this, we have a go-kart place by us that swears on the predators and proudly rock them for most the karts rated for them. they are badass. never had one give out on me when treated right.

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks for the feedback.

BigDipper79 Mese fa

I tell you what for $150 bucks you can’t go wrong with that Predator engine. What a great review you did. Absolutely the best review channel on ITvid. Thank you!

Josh B 18 giorni fa

@Deucealive75 Awesome, thanks for the feed back. Sounds like you have a lot of experience with these engines.

Deucealive75 18 giorni fa

@Josh B When it comes to these small OHV engines there is no "fan boy" engine that even comes close to the Predator 212. You would agree if you heard all the happy talk I have heard about these for more than a decade. Their only advantages over GX200 and clones are the initial cost and plus 16cc. Otherwise they are a low quality Chinese engine with unique Predator 212 specific parts. They eventually came out with one using a hemi head which took the fan boys to new levels even when there is no power advantage with the hemi head. They are fine as utility engines but for the minibike and go kart hobby they should be the last choice when there are so many better quality and more powerful engines to start with like Tillotson 212, Ducar 212, BSP 212, and Wildcat 223. The new Predator 224 which is made by Ducar is a better quality engine than any Predator 212. i can use my expensive clone (196) flywheel on any of the above mentioned engines. But it does not fit the unique Predator 212 crankshaft.

Oscar Funez Mese fa

@Josh B Literally Honda and Toyota makes the most reliable vehicles on the market and that's backed up by literal national reviews by people themselves who also critizise their cars. Not everyone is a fan boy.

Unintentional Failure Mese fa

@SV Galene yeah you're kinda right about that. A quality made carburator like a Keihin brand will work better than a POS from china. The quality of gas matters too. Ethanol free gas is better for carburators than the standard 10-15% ethanol gas from a gas station, and how long it's been stored matters too. A cheap Chinese carb will junk up after a few days of not being used, a japanese carb on a motorcycle will last months before the gas in the carb gets old.

G Whizz Mese fa

Thankyou for doing all these comparisons. They are genuinely entertaining and informative, and answer so many questions in a honest straight-forward way. Long time watcher, keep up the great work, PF !!

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks, will do!

Greg Smith 29 giorni fa

This is an awesome trade off analysis. Thank you for this video and I learned a lot! Glad to see the results.

Project Farm 29 giorni fa

Thanks and you are welcome! Glad to hear you learned a lot!

RK57AZ 25 giorni fa

I really enjoy your testing of real world products from A to Z and pricing from cheap to expensive ! Well done. I would like to see a comparison of the big 4 Japanese small engine manufacturers ( Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki and Subaru ) if possible or is rebuilding one of these fine engines is a long lasting cost effective option? Stay safe and healthy!

Project Farm 25 giorni fa

Thanks!

fkat28 Mese fa

You really put forth a lot of time and effort in doing this review. You are a serious reviewer, your effort is much appreciated👍

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks!

Clay Le Flore 4 giorni fa

I think a longevity test is the next obvious step seeing as you already bought the motors. Still waiting for someone to give motorcoat some competition! Your testing is the standard I now count on for a lot of the products I buy, keep up the great work

Project Farm 4 giorni fa

Thank you for the video idea!

joshua sopczak Mese fa

This man is a national treasure! We are blessed to have someone to provide us wrenchers with all this unbiased data. Cheers to you, and looking forward to many more videos!

IH D-360 Mese fa

@John Long try slowing down the video in ITvid settings. Not sure if that’ll help but worth a try I think.

Josh B Mese fa

I totally agree. This is a man of his word and a straight shooter. I love how he's totally unbiased and non-judgemental. He finishes his videos with a real world "value for your money" statement. I trust his word over any name branding.

John Long Mese fa

10-4

Dale Fry Mese fa

@John Long You can adjust the speed, John. I watch most videos at 1.5x normal speed. If you want a laugh, watch videos at .5x normal; it sounds like they are drunk or stoned.

popee45 Mese fa

@John Long I think he's a former Air Traffic Controller who specialized in Clearance Delivery

StewiesFabShop 20 giorni fa

Wonderful work sir! This comparison is very helpful to engine choice. Very thorough! I especially liked the engine oil analysis piece! Keep up the great work!

Don McWilliam Mese fa

Your testing methods are usually right on the head but this time your video has left me with a question. Would it make any difference if the motors were under load via their pulleys? I think yes but I am making an educated guess that the results would be in more favour of the Honda and the Briggs and Stratton a close second. What do you think?

Shawn_the_protogen Giorno fa

Given all the mods you can find for a Predator 212, I would probably choose that one for a go-cart.

Erik Fredriksson Mese fa

Best channel on youtube. I love the effort you put in to all these tests. Genuine, and very well explained results. Simply perfect. Never ever stop, please! Love from Sweden.

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks!

Daniel Gaytan 21 giorno fa

As always, this was a FENOMENAL video! Great work!

TimeBucks Mese fa

another exceptional video

Somnath Pal Mese fa

MISS SUSMITA Mese fa

Very good content

Éva Markoné Szilvásy Mese fa

Ó good extra

Nisha Tanwani Mese fa

Very interesting..nice video...

MK GAMING MLBB Mese fa

Good

Miguel A Tambucho Mese fa

I love your reviews man! You sabe us a lot of headaches if we go to the wrong direction. Thank you!

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks and you are welcome!

Windell McSpindell Mese fa

Once again an exceptional comparison test video. It's truly refreshing to know that there are still some hard working knowledgeable people who tell us the unbiased truth and are not willing to sell or compromise their integrity for a buck from the corporate world. Thank you so much and please don't ever sell out.

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks and you are welcome!

Mircea.Cosmin89 Mese fa

You know... I might be in my 30s, but when I grow up I wanna be just like you: objective and constantly improving! Brilliant video as always. Makes me wonder what it takes to be so oriented towards serious results and always more accurate.

Matthew Purdon Mese fa

Jokes on you mate, he is only 24. This level of testing really takes it out of you.

Project Farm Mese fa

Wow, thank you!

seagoat Mese fa

This is a great test station 👍 I appreciate your work by doing this , I have always wondered about these engines , 😊well done ✅

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks and you are welcome!

Megan Springsted Mese fa

So should we use heavier oil to prevent blow through? Instead of the 10-30 synthetic you used I think?

alpham777 Mese fa

Harbor Freight is just killing it these days. Also many thanks as usual for the amount of work you put in for us folks to guide us in the right way.

Michael Dunagan Mese fa

@alpham777 Yeah- -SK tools I love but-dang-it-they think they're damned Snap-On or Matco by gosh... I can pay $25 for a 15 mm ranch or I can pay $15 for the whole set at Harbor Freight. I don't work as a mechanic 40 to 50 hours a week so I don't need the most comfortable tools. I will say that I'm not going to buy any more cheap pliers from harbor freight. All my cheap pliers and wire cutting tools have rusted. I don't even think the tools are a year old.

DD Johnson Mese fa

@Tom Rogers "Chinesium Honda knockoffs" while 80% of HF tools are literally made in China ANDprased by PF fans. dude you tripping.

Shyster Magoo Mese fa

@Mark McLeod Sarcastic yes but i still have and use four of them. lol

Shyster Magoo Mese fa

@Jim B Yep those got four of them.

The Narrow Gate Mese fa

These tests are always eye opening. This idea I’m sure has been suggested before but want to throw it out anyway. How about a single cylinder gas vs diesel comparison. Would love to know what if any fuel savings could be gotten from a small diesel for generator work. See a lot of cheap Chinese diesel videos but none comparing fuel efficiency to a gasser. Love the channel and looking forward to the video!

The Narrow Gate Mese fa

Really appreciate the work you do. You’ve help steer me in the right direction many times over the years!

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks for the suggestion.

swimers100 Mese fa

So happy to hear that a Predator engine is solid! I don’t feel bad anymore about buying them at Harbor Freight

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks for sharing.

Jordan JD Peterson Mese fa

Very cool to see so so so so much effort going into real life testing. My choice has always been Honda, but given your review and low budgets in third world nations the Predator was impressive for the money.

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks for the feedback.

Nicholas Bolton 4 giorni fa

Great video, but I just wanted to point out that when I had my predator (the 212cc model) it said to use premium fuel instead of 87 octane

Lab Nine Mese fa

Outstanding video! I would have assumed that the Briggs & Stratton was just shy of the Honda and that the Predator was the worst of the bunch. Very interesting results and the video was entertaining and of high value.

Deucealive75 18 giorni fa

The thing not mentioned in the video is that the Briggs used here is nothing more than a Chinese engine with Briggs badging. It's no better than the "GX160" clone used here and there is a chance that it is made in the same Chinese factory that the GX160 came from. The Predator 212 has always had the advantage of cost and 16 extra cc's over the 196cc GX200.

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks!

GaTy Mese fa

I know this has to be a repeat comment but, my god, the amount of effort put into these videos is astounding! Not just on the mechanical testing side but content editing! It is appreciated!

Gregory Parrott Mese fa

@Josias Lourenço What the hell does this have to do with gas engines? As far as this ITvid is concerned, ZERO Maybe I should follow your lead - place something about apes, or the 'Flat Earth society and bizarre beliefs such as the firmament?

Repent and believe in Jesus Christ Mese fa

Repent to Jesus Christ “For the Spirit God gave us does not make us timid, but gives us power, love and self-discipline.” ‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭1‬:‭7‬ ‭NIV‬‬ ht

Josias Lourenço Mese fa

Hebrews 12:14 Make every effort to live in peace with all men and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord. Acts 3:19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, James 2:24,26 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. John 3:16 'For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

Gregory Parrott Mese fa

Given so many extensive and professional reviews (beating many self proclaimed 'experts'), I advocate becoming a patreon. He stands out and has done so long enough that his channel is currently the ONLY one for which am doing this. Besides, one thing I know for certain, this level of testing is $expensive$.

Jeffrey Yeater Mese fa

Agreed

Wingman Gaming Mese fa

@Project Farm you should compare more high mileage oil to its standard full synthetic oils. That'll be interesting to know to see if anyone rebottles their oils.

Project Farm 29 giorni fa

Thanks for the suggestion.

JohnTx Mese fa

OH MAN, excellent job on this, glad you do these comparisons! You get right to the action and roll through it quickly. Thats the way to do it. NOT boring at all! Thanks!

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks so much!

L Ods Mese fa

Isn't there a recommended break in oil for each engine? I have built many performance car engines and usually that is the case. That would be a game changer.

Peter G Mese fa

The amount of work and dedication to do this is like out of this world. Just changing 4 engines on that gocart to get a result is just something else and must have taken forever to do. Well done and thank you.

AVportau Mese fa

yep was a good effort but these engines are quick to change... 4 main bolts to hold the engine to chassis and the main drive shaft would be the same diameter for all 4 engines so it would fit generic pumps, generators, and gocarts ... all 4 engines have their own fuel/carby/ignition/exhaust setup already, just have to connect throttle/accelerator cable set-up... probably the fastest type of engine to swap.

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks and you are welcome!

Alonso Urrutia 21 giorno fa

Let’s protect this man at all cost!!

J Urban Mese fa

Love that you went the extra mile and sent the oil off for testing. As always, fantastic real-world reviews.

Josh B Mese fa

Good point, perhaps he should run the engines for another 500 hours and redo the oil testing.

John Nall Mese fa

I read some where that you are not to use Senti oil in an new engine.the rings can't seat.during break in

Robert Lawrence Mese fa

Don't Read My Profile Picture why spam instead of constructive talk? You might learn something

Project Farm Mese fa

Thank you!

g0fvt Mese fa

Well done, some very diverse testing, entertaining as well as informative. You might be surprised at how many professionals have their choices influenced by your testing.

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks!

jdr03272 Mese fa

Excellent video Todd! I'd love to see a portable generator inverter comparison between the honda eu7000is and comparable predator model. I know that would be an expensive video but and yet another big ice storm and blizzard bears down on the country, i bet it would be a well attended vid! Keep up the incredible work!

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks, will do! Thanks for the suggestion.

S W Mese fa

I seen a wood splitter with a honda motor go out (after probably 35 years of running every season) it has been replaced with a predator engine and it works good. It sits outside in the rain, uncovered, neglected, but still starts up for the last 7 or 8 years. Probably wont last like the honda, but who knows. Predators are decent engines you wouldnt expect for the price.

Mike Irwin Mese fa

Interesting video.I would be more interested in a Honda clone longevity test.I would appreciate hearing from people who have had the Loncin clone for some time .Before somebody points it out, I am aware there are different clone makers.

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.

john osczakiewicz Mese fa

Love these videos!! A lot of work to set everything up, but the results are clear !! And precise,thank-you

Project Farm Mese fa

You are so welcome!

Wasted_Potential Mese fa

Predator is a legitimate brand in the small engine racing community. Harbor Freight even sells a dedicated cart racing engine now with racing accessories (intake, exhaust, fuel pump, etc). That would be an interesting test to throw that one in the mix.

john smith Mese fa

Yes, but they are not the best option for long term ownership. Besides you can get a GX200 for $350-$400, $600 is its msrp. And at $350 there's just no way I'd be getting a Predator.

Jeremy Kilgore Mese fa

Minor discrepancy but you mentioned the first fuel test on the B&S as starting with 54 and then finished with 25 for a total of 31lbs of fuel. It should be 29lbs. Overall, great video as usual.

Poojan Mese fa

Ya i noticed that too, around 7:35 mark

Sean_Dogun Mese fa

I love how Honda clone came with dents with no extra cost lol. BTW, dunno if Mits and Subaru(former Robin) engines are available there, those should be good competitors, too! My father used to own some farming equipments with these kind of engine(include Honda), Mitsubishi engine tend to be hard to start after years of use, but old Robin(Subaru now) still easy to start in the same usage.

Mike Deal 21 giorno fa

Fantastic experiment. I can't help but wonder if the 10w-30 had something to do with the oil consumption. Small engines typically use a single weight SAE30 type oil. This is from the Briggs and Stratton website: SAE 30 - Warmer temperatures, most common oil for small engines. SAE 10W-30 - Varying temperature range, this grade of oil improves cold-weather starting, but may increase oil consumption.

Deucealive75 18 giorni fa

You make a good point here. In my opinion it depends on how hot the engine is going to run depending on load and outside air temp. If it's 90F outside with no wind and the engine is going to be under heavy load I would use 10W40 or SAE30. If it's 30F out you can get away with much thinner oil. Honda GX200 and every clone that came after had the recommended oil at 10W30. None of my clones have ever seen thicker than 10W30 and most have been run on 5W30. One of my low use minibike engines I have used 5W20. The spark plug looked good with no evidence of oil consumption. For my snowblower and minibike engines the oil temp never gets hot enough to use anything thicker than 5W30. I have 5 196's, a 208, and a 224. After a mild build the 224 is a beast and has nearly double the power of the engines in this video.

Tim Drake 19 giorni fa

Thank you for these tests. Good information and looks like fun testing

Jive Patrol Mese fa

Good test methodology and comparison! Both the Honda and Briggs and Stratton are good engines. I wasn't aware of the Predator brand name but might be good if one is on a budget. Thank You! 🙂🙂👍👍

Project Farm Mese fa

You are welcome!

Seth Young Mese fa

For anyone new to the channel, this could be 14 days worth of prep-work, recording, analysing, and editing, boiled down to 14 minutes of what we want to see.

StarGehzer Mese fa

@Isiah Wood Over $1200.00 for the engines plus gas, oil, & special test equipment & devices, yup this was an expensive set of tests. Shows you how much money GOOD ITvid videos can earn! Note that he might lose money on this video but make more on another. I always wonder where he sells the stuff after he's tested it.

wade5941 Mese fa

@scott merrow You again? LOL! Maybe we both need to find a life.

TheUnknownKnows Mese fa

@rafflesnh LOL

wade5941 Mese fa

@scott merrow Apparently I just did... teaching reading comprehension. LOL!!!

Darryl Sjodin Mese fa

Great video! I noticed that all 4 engines had the same effect on the chosen oil, causing it to loose grade, dropping down to the next viscosity. I would like to see a motor oil test with one of the engines, maybe the Honda, and do an oil analysis after each identical run time and load, comparing the oils for grade and wear. I would especially like to see conventional vs synthetic and auto engine oil vs small engine oil, made for air cooled engines. Please include the Amsoil signature series, XL, OE and small engine oil see the differences, along with other brands in the requested categories. Thanks

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks for the suggestion.

Craig Monteforte 13 giorni fa

Good one again i’m not sure why because i’ve had plenty and used plenty of Briggs and Stratton but it suprised me how well it did in this line up i think i thought they lost quality getting built inChina ? but i guess they are getting better materials and Quality Control for one of the old Stand bys which is nice to observe and know i did think the Predators would had done better as well

Project Farm 13 giorni fa

Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.

SartBG Mese fa

Hey, for the B&S engine - started at 54 pounds, after 24 hours it was at 25 pounds that makes it 29 pounds same as the Predator.

rimbenty 26 giorni fa

As always excellent analysis! I was impressed with Cousin Eddie’s performance maybe a test between him and Clark are in order.

Project Farm 26 giorni fa

Thanks! lol

Racin' Mason 6 giorni fa

Ran those predator motors for years in a log splitter with no issues. They really are a fantastic little bang for your buck work horse!

Project Farm 6 giorni fa

Thanks for the feedback.

Riccochet Mese fa

Those Predator engines are a great value. Also crazy the amount of aftermarket there is for them.

Michael Dunagan Mese fa

@Tom Rogers Yeah: As I said in another comment on here, I'm was very surprised how poorly the Briggs & Stratton stacked up especially to the Predator. You have now provided the reason why. I'm old enough to remember where Briggs & Stratton was a desired engine just like a Wisconsin or Tecumsah engine.

gene fogarty Mese fa

@Inspector Mills Same thing happened to me. But I did have my shirt off and was glistening with sweat, so I chalked it up to the raging hormones of the local HS cheer team, lol.

roger st laurent Mese fa

@Tom Rogers Mr Tom you could not say it any better but the Twin Cylinder Engine is still a Good engine but Warranty a big fat ZERO shame B/S was a great little engine Co

Billy Thekid Mese fa

Indeed. I really hope they consider expanding the Predator engine line of products.

ProDABPaul Mese fa

Thanks for another great video sir! I always appreciate when you use the Harbor freight alternative for a test!

Project Farm Mese fa

You are welcome! Thanks!

YupHio 12 giorni fa

Awesome video. The harbor freight predator seems like a good value for the power.

Project Farm 12 giorni fa

Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.

JB's Channel Mese fa

Keep up the great work! Would love to see a comparison of the $1200 honda generator vs the Harbor Freight Predator

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks, will do! Thanks for the suggestion.

Airtime aerial media Mese fa

Wow project Farmer!! That was a VERY very thorough and scientific method driven set of tests on items that have real world relevance in today economy!! Well done and thanks much for the great work! 💯👍🎉 New sub 😀

kaine stefaniak Mese fa

Used a gx200 ebay clone for 3 years on a plate compactor in dusty climates between 15-35°c little bit noiser and less refined but well worth it for the money but nothing beats the genuine honda gx200 I was running 10w 40 in all motors really looking forward to watching this one

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks for sharing.

LeadBlastin22 Mese fa

As an engineer, I really appreciate your attention to detail and dedication to creating scientific worthy tests that can be repeated and measured with high precision. I picture you having a closet filled to the brim with testing instruments for all types of data like I do. It takes meticulous planning and organization to conduct these tests and I enjoy watching them.

Jeff Desert Mountains Mese fa

@Barry Thompson hahahahahaha that is SO funny!

Jeff Desert Mountains Mese fa

@Brian Harrington great sense of humor as well. His voice is so calming even though he talks so fast.. though I love that. I prefer fast talkers...

Jeff Desert Mountains Mese fa

I'm a computer ex engineer and I totally agree. His research is beyond detailed that any OCD annalistic (aka anal) person would appreciate, in my opinion. It makes me wonder how many companies have improved their products due to Project Farm.

mklcolvin Mese fa

Same! That's what hooked me. I appreciate the lengths that you go to generate this data. Most other channels are just opinions and preferences.

Ralph 18 giorni fa

Man, would really have loved to see the Predator 224 in this comparison - when you can snag these on crazy sales for $159, they're a huge value.

Project Farm 18 giorni fa

Thank you for sharing!

Rob M. Mese fa

Hi Todd, love your videos. Can you please test silicone spray lubricants, if you haven’t already? It is something I use a lot of and would love to know which one performs the best. Thanks!

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks for the suggestion.

Al Doyle Mese fa

Thank you for this very detailed review. Your work ethic is exceptional.

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks and you are welcome!

What That Mese fa

7:40 54lbs minus 25lbs is 29lbs, not 31lbs. The Briggs and Stratton used the same exact amount of fuel as the predator. 29lbs So, all three engines- Briggs, Honda and predator used the same amount of fuel. Good video thanks for taking the time to make it- this helps me determine the engine I want on a project rail cart I want to make to ride dead train tracks.

The Channel 29 giorni fa

Excellent video, again! May I suggest two things, for you to consider? #1: Use Avg-Max-Min chart rather than Avg only. #2: be a bit more mindful when (not) to start the Y axis on 0, as sometimes it is misleading (such as in the case of fuel consumption, where the chart shows a huge gap, but in fact the difference is at most 4lbs / 48h, less than 0.1lb / h, or approx 7%)

Project Farm 29 giorni fa

Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.

Jesse C Mese fa

A lot of people saying thanks for what you do, and I absolutely agree; but the thing that makes me happiest is to see you doing these tests with joy. It's nice to see after all these years you've kept doing a service to us all but also still get joy from the work. I hope you're as happy as your videos let on, the content is terrific.

Crystal Mese fa

@Repent and believe in Jesus Christ yea no… that’s ok. Religion isn’t for me. This isn’t the place for your propaganda.

Repent and believe in Jesus Christ Mese fa

Repent to Jesus Christ “For the Spirit God gave us does not make us timid, but gives us power, love and self-discipline.” ‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭1‬:‭7‬ ‭NIV‬‬ ht

William Reilly Mese fa

I completely agree. Todd is a class act 100%

chris jenkins Mese fa

Another awesome video. When I grow up I want to be able to answer questions like "what is better?" just like ProjectFarm does.

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks! Study hard and learn as much as you can and you can do it!

Chris Kleczynski Mese fa

I always wondered how good the Predators were because they're real popular for go carts and modding. Now we know, for the price, they're a beast!

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks for the feedback.

Mike K Mese fa

Arguably the BEST ITvid channel. Unbelievably hard work and thorough reviews with unbiased results. This is the Do-It-Yourselfers Bible for Tool reviews.

zvotaï svfi 27 giorni fa

Thanks for doing this. I'm honestly surpised how identically the engines performed.

Project Farm 27 giorni fa

You are welcome! Thanks for the feedback.

Bill Linhardt II Mese fa

One of the best videos I've seen. Facts (no idle chatter), results (not a lab but good enough), quick and concise! Excellent video! (thanks for not showing us your farm, dog, and talk about the wife)

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks!

Rottiezucco1 Mese fa

My 24 yo son who is just now getting into building things. Just bought several tools and told me he watched your videos prior to purchasing. Makes a father proud! Thanks for doing what you do 👍

Steve Niksid Mese fa

@us1fedvet I agree! I have a B&S 8hp generator from the 70's and it starts on the 2nd pull... it's like a American made Honda. Unfortunately I would not buy anything with a B&S engine today😢

us1fedvet Mese fa

Great test. I’m disheartened the Briggs has been cheapened up as it has. Used to be as good of small engines as you could get for a reasonable price.

Josias Lourenço Mese fa

Tracey Brown Mese fa

@Project Farm When you say lbs can you add kg into the text on screen?

Steve Niksid Mese fa

PF sure saves from learning the hard expensive way.

Dee Luna Mese fa

I'm curious what part or parts in question are causing the most trouble with that honda clone for the imbalance and if it's related to that oil consumption. That said, a performance mod on that predator and they're decent motors. The drawback of course being the added cost for that.

WCG Denmaster Ken Mese fa

A fun (and not as expensive) compare/contrast pair of videos (impact & regular, separately) that I would find useful would be for universal joint socket adapters... say tool truck brands vs Icon, Pittsburg, Kobalt, Tekton, Craftsman, etc. Could do not only durability, but also range of motion, slop, fit & finish, etc.

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks for the suggestion.

milwscruffy Mese fa

I was under the assumption that brand new engines need conventional oil in them to break in the rings before then switching to full synthetic. Synthetic is too slick to break in new rings and cylinder wall seal correctly.

DrewV1 Mese fa

Todd, you sure went the extra mile on this one, but props to Cousin Eddy! Everybody needs to "fall enoygh oil before starting" LOL

Project Farm Mese fa

lol Thanks!

mc2whls Mese fa

Todd, thanks for doing a very involved "Test" of these engines. I would definitely buy the Predator for the cost savings.

Project Farm Mese fa

You are welcome!

TBPony Mese fa

This is nostalgia of original project farm, good to see an honest showdown. Please make more like this

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks, will do!

the dude Mese fa

100 yes! I think he had to stop those kind of videos. Think of how many push mowers he blew up that summer for us

R Nulley Mese fa

Absolutely love your content and the predator surprised me big time

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks!

Floot Mese fa

Cousin Eddie's stellar contribution and performance assistance should not go unrecognised in this process.. :)

Project Farm Mese fa

Good Point!

Music4TheSoul Mese fa

I think a test of the Honda and the Predator using Lucas Oil Treatment and Fuel System Treatment would be interesting. I used Lucas Fuel System Treatment with high octance gas on long road trips and averaged 40mpg in two different midsized cars.

Project Farm Mese fa

Great suggestion! Thank you

Jorrdan D Mese fa

I have bought numerous product based on this mans testing. I greatly appreciate his effort and diligence to produce a quality analysis of such a diverse number of products. Thank you good sir!

mos8541 Mese fa

i work construction, always un heated and sometimes outdoors, those heated gloves are making a huge difference! i couldn't really afford the top of the line ones but the best VALUE ones were doable, i KNEW i had to hurry or theyd be gone, essentially most normal sizes SOLD OUT, luckily they had XXL which many do not, i bought immediately, they wearing out as they're NOT construction gloves so ill be taping gluing at some point

Project Farm Mese fa

You are welcome!

josh b Mese fa

As are most reviews from this channel, quite a few details were missed when comparing these engines. No break in period and the predator is a hemi unlike the rest of the engines.

Swordsman73 Mese fa

Absolutely love this “knock-off vs genuine” content! It’s scary to think that a fake looks so similar and can easily be made to look real with little effort. Great video!

Chris Christenson 17 giorni fa

@Deucealive75 All non-B&S motors with this footprint were designed to replace the original (older) B&S motors... The motors were changed to OHV design because of the need to meet EPA emission standards, not because of a superior design. The OHV design adds more parts and complexity and the Honda is not some new radical design of a small 4-stroke motor. You will also see the change to a hemi-head only to meet stricter EPA standards. Honda's are a good motors because of the quality of their builds. B&S now is not the same company it was, thus they now follow the current leader.

Deucealive75 18 giorni fa

@Chris Christenson The OHV Honda GX200 has nothing to do with any Briggs engine. The Briggs engine in this video is a cheap Chinese big bore (70mm) clone with Briggs badging. Who's copying who? If Honda copied anything it was the standard footprint (bolt pattern) of the Briggs.

Jim James Mese fa

@Chris Christenson well yes, they did use the same generic 4 bolt mounting pattern (and crank pto height for that matter) otherwise they wouldn’t fit to the implements they’re designed to power. We’re talking about a universal powerplant here. But then already being constrained to these superficial constraints saves very little in terms of RnD. They’re simply constraints that have to be designed around. The slant OHV was a clean sheet design that owes little to the competition before, and was good enough for B&S to rip off 15 years later when the side valve engines they were persisting with just weren’t cutting it in the 21st century.

Chris Christenson Mese fa

@Jim James Honda did not do a radical ground up engine unique design, that's why you can have all these clones and knock-offs without patent infringements, as they all utilized the same mounting holes and the 4-bolt pattern where the accessories bolt up to which were based off of earlier B&S. The reason the Honda motors have become the comparison leader is because of the quality of the parts and the tighter specifications... and many manufactures went with the Hemi Head and tamper proof carbs to burn cleaner and meet EPA requirements... also it was in the early 90's that that Honda started to copy Harley Davidsons...

Jim James Mese fa

@Chris Christenson that’s cool and all, but nothing that B&S or Tecumseh were making had anything to do with the slant OHV design that almost every single stationary engine manufacturer has copies today. The only thing in common there is some arbitrary cylinder count which does nothing to save on RnD cost. Heck, if you’re going to pull that card then the Chevrolet Small Block is a rip off of the flat head Ford (which it isn’t)

HAIRBA11 Mese fa

So something I’d be curious about comparing would be basic beginner tool kits. Those $100-130 all in one mechanic or household kits. Something for people starting out. Or good all around kit to keep in a vehicle without worry about theft value.

HAIRBA11 Mese fa

Icon vs Pittsburg vs hart vs craftsman vs whatever other house brands are out there.

SeeSawMacaw Mese fa

I wonder why the Briggs kept stalling. Usually that’s the fuel tank cap vent plugged or maybe overheating.

HARRYAZZHOLE Mese fa

This video has to be the most EXTREME and in-depth video I have seen yet. Thanks for all you do PF.

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks and you are welcome!

scott merrow Mese fa

You can't use synthetic oil in brand new engines, they must be broken in first. Hopefully you did that. Otherwise lots of great information.

jacuzzibusguy Mese fa

What an amazing video. Thanks for all your hard work!

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks and you are welcome!

xDman383 Mese fa

I can only imagine the hilarious sight of someone stumbling onto your farm and seeing a guy in a go cart towing a tractor with a mannequin on it lol. Always love seeing your videos. You are truly a godsend when it comes to ITvid content creators!

Josias Lourenço Mese fa

Daniel Beck Mese fa

My favorite was when you tested electric-heat jackets by having Cousin Ed ride on top of FARM-A-BAGO!

Sparky Wirenut Mese fa

I was wondering if the chinese spy balloon caught this on camera and are wondering WTF is going on down there ? lol

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks!

John Wiemann Mese fa

I replaced a Briggs with a predator on my sawmill. best mod I made yet. Restarts on a hot engine use to be awful , now one pull. but this comparison is excellent.

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks! Thanks for sharing.

Slippery Johnson Mese fa

Very expensive test! I knew the Honda would be the best, I'm a very pro Honda guy! B&S work very well also. I was interested in the predator though. Seems like it's not bad overall. Great video

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks!

Bob Mese fa

Your diligence, and integrity, is impressive. I tell everybody about the battery comparison you did a while back. I listened to your advice. As well as a few of my friends. Yup.

Project Farm Mese fa

Thanks!

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